Bouncing off the ceiling!

 The Walvis Bay wind machine seems to have broken down. The powers that be that make this one of the best and most consistent speed sailing venues in the world have taken a break and left no message as to when they are coming back. It has been 11 days since we have had enough wind just to get started in and the forecast doesn't indicate anything strong enough on the horizon. It's very unusual for this time of the year. In my four years on location here I haven't seen it this 'flat' before. It's weird. It's slightly depressing to be honest.

As mentioned in the previous blog, we have had to commit to booking a WSSRC ratified world record attempt without even knowing if we have the performance to achieve our goals. VSR2 is still very much being dialled in. We have only done 5 runs since we arrived, 2 of which we didn't even get going over 10 knots. The last run was pretty good in 'boat' terms... but pretty average in 'Outright' record terms.

As a team, both here and in the UK, we are all scratching our heads as to why we are hitting this 'glass ceiling' at around 52 knots. Consider the simple facts we have seen to date...

- 2 different boats with 7 wildly different foils have all hit this speed

- The boats have been sailed in winds from 22-34 knots and only twice just exceeded this speed. Remember that in theory a 30 knot wind has nearly 50% more power than a 25 knot wind.

- Both boats accelerate very hard up to this speed and then flat line.

- VSR2 is designed to sail at over 60 knots and is sheeted accordingly. If anything she is a little oversheeted at 50 knots. The tell tales are all flying and she accelerates from 40 knots up to 50 with the same sheeting angle. We have eased the wing out a few degrees to allow for the fact that we aren't achieving the polars.

- The foils are specifically designed not to cavitate until at least over 60 knots. They are base ventilated wedges and we have gone to greast lengths to prove that the base is ventilated well down to tolerable/expected pressures throughout the run.

 

So, if it was simply a question of power... then we would go significantly faster in higher wind strengths. This hasn't proven to be the case. If the drag increase was gradual or even linear... then we would go faster in stronger wind strengths... we don't. The aerodynamic drag is only a small part of the overall drag picture. The front planing surface is the only thing in the water apart from the rudder and main foil at high speed. A simple V'd planing surface should have an almost flat drag curve as speed increases. The new rudder is smaller and more efficient than the last one in all dimensions. We are about to measure its base cavity pressures to make sure it isn't choking/cavitating... but am sure it isn't at speed (when the wind returns we will find out).

Thanks to all the sensors and the COSWORTH data logger package we have a lot of very useful information from each run.

LOOK AT THAT ACCELERATION ON THE YELLOW LINE. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE ACCELERATION LEVELS OFF EARLY AS THE WING IS ONLY PARTIALLY SHEETED UNTIL I BEAR AWAY ON TO THE COURSE AND SHEET FULLY IN TO 10 DEGREES. THE ACCELERATION THEN SHOOTS UP AGAIN UNTIL WE HIT THAT GLASS CEILING AT AROUND 52 KNOTS. IT STAYS THERE DESPITE SAILING THROUGH GUSTS UNTIL I SHEET OUT AND BEAR AWAY TO SLOW DOWN.

 

We are able to see how each aspect relates to the other. This graph above shows Boatspeed (yellow), rudder angle (red), rudder load (spiky purple... note it follows subtle steering inputs closely), Course over ground (lower grey), wing angle (playing up but still useful bottom dark blue), wind strength/angle (missing on this run), there are a couple of other load sensors in there.

We sit and stare at these graphs for ages, then we ponder them, lie awake in bed thinking about them... and come and check them out again. We question the accuracy of all the data and wonder how we can improve it. At moments like this when we don't have all the answers, we wonder if they aren't staring us right in the face. These light wind days give us time to ponder such things in depth.

So it comes down to this... if the nature of the drag was progressive or power dependent, sailing in significantly more wind would reward us with significantly higher speeds. We have simply hit 50-52 knots too many times now. This would suggest that the rapid rise in drag has been brought about by the foils in the water. Nothing else in the air or water could give such a rapid increase in drag. We know we are fully in the region where cavitation is likely. I can understand where the sub cavitation foils are failing as we are potentially near their limits, I can even understand where the first try at a ventilated/cav foil was failing (too big, too cambered)... but this new one is a hugely different foil in all aspects. It is specifically designed not to do the bad things that the first foil did. The new foil is the safe, reliable option and yet it simply hits the same glass ceiling as the last foil. That seems odd to me. 

So we are all going over the boat, the data and having a fresh look at the basic principles. What are we missing? There is almost 100kg of thrust or drag not accounted for at our current speeds. It's a lot. Malcolm and Chris are meeting up at AEROTROPE in Brighton tomorrow to discuss the problem in depth. I'll skype in. If the wind was here we would be working progressively through the problem but it's not... so we have to work with what we already have.

 

There's a little bird outside that has become quite accustomed to us. It now hops into the container with one dodgy foot in search of crumbs. It hops right past me even as I type now. It has this weird problem where it is actually very territorial. When it catches sight of its reflection in the shiny underside of one of VSR2's pods it attacks it. It flies into its own reflection time and time again and we think it's silly. From it's perspective it might be watching us going out time and time again smacking into our own glass ceiling. Neither of us will give in. It's not about the ceiling of course but rather the desire to own the territory on the other side of it.

Our ratified record attempt starts in a few days. No wind is forecast. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe we are being afforded the time we need to work on the problem without distraction. I still have faith that there are great leaps and surges of speed waiting for us once we gain the understanding. I just hope that mother nature gives us a decent shot.

Cheers, Paul.

Comments

Polars and speed limits

Hi Paul,

Have you got enough runs at differing wind-relative courses to characterise a polar for Sailrocket yet?

Very best wishes,

Jon

REPLY...Re; Polars and speed limits

 Hi Jon,

Well one of the good things about Walvis bay may well also be one of the bad things... that is that it is very consistent in its wind angles. It typically 'locks in' with a TWA of around 110-95 degrees. It typically starts off building from the West and swinging around to this SSW course. As it builds and swings the wind is a little gusty and the course gets a slight rolling swell blowing in around the western end from the 2nd lagoon on that side. Whilst we might get a variation in angle, it is pretty damned hard to be scientific about it as we are also bi-secting the wind gusts at a high rate... and have made changes to the boat between the different days. VSR2 expects to have a perfect sailing day where the TWA is around 105 degrees and the wind is 26 knots. In reality this means winds between 100-110 degrees and winds gusting from 24-30 knots. Some days are more steady than others.

Lower parts of the wing have pre-set-fixed angles of attack. The upper sections of the wing should be sheeted in to match them otherwise the wing is less efficient. I don't get the sense that we accelerate when I bear away at the end of the course... rather that I lose apparent wind strength.

Our polars for VSR2 are still mostly theory although some of the practice matches quite closely... up until we hit our current ceiling. In the aforementioned conditions... we should be over 60 knots in order to match the polars. I still have the feeling that we are flicking matches at a powder keg with this concept. There should be a lot to come... and it may come quickly.

Cheers, Paul

Lest we forget, but you been over the hump...

You've been to the promised land on one occasion. That 2-up run last fall. Same wing, aero drag (plus waving amateur), etc...something "right" happened with that old foil before the repair.

If the old foil was flexing, and you've taken that into consideration in the new fin...and you had a few days to methodically tweak the foil angles of adjustment and rig angles with respect to one another, and maybe even over correcting beyond where you think you should go in terms of these angles, just to gather the data with the new logging equipment and confirm your assumptions, you will get this. I'm convinced you'll kick this record.

But even if she isn't tuned to smash the record, I think you could still think you've got a great shot to own a new record in 29 knots of breeze.

I just hope the wind machine kicks in.

Reply Reply: Re Obvious

The direction I was thinking was drag from the rig. When we used to approach Vne on the test rig drag shot through the roof before the pitching moment went off the scale and the mast broke. We learnt to recognise it and take each sail to that point to stretch it out. We would then back off to take a full set of lift/drag readings. I know it seems unlikely and the videos don't show any distortion of the rig but what is the Vne of your wing out of interest. We found there was a 5 knot range at 43 knots before the rig failed. We knew we had a sufficient margin of error as Pascal used that sail to break Crossbow's record.

Roo

REPLY... Re: Re: Re Obvious

 Hi Roo,

I reckon we used to get some strange behaviour out of our first soft rig on Sailrocket 1. I'm still impressed that she hit over 30 knots with this rig to be honest.

The nice thing with wings is that you pretty much get the shapes you designed. In some respects they are much more simple than soft rigs which require all the art of designing masts, pockets, sails etc to all be complimetary. Both types of rigs have their obvious pro's and cons. Windsurfing rigs sure have become highly refined bits of kit.

VSR2's wing is designed and structured to be good to Hmmm... let me just say well over 65 knots. When we designed this boat we didn't want to have to build another one. The idea is to have it as a testing platform for high speed foils. The performance of the foil was always going to be the limiting factor. A relatively low performing foil (with no "brick walls" drag-wise) would get us over 60 knots. A half decent foil would see us closer to 70. Right now we have some form of Brick-wall. I hope we gte a good chance to resolve our problems and get over it. For this boat, life will really begin at 60 knots. We managed to wring every knot out of the first boats potential, if we can do the same with this one then it will be pretty special. One step at a time. We aren't there yet.

Cheers, Paul.

The obvious

Eliminate the variables and only the obvious remains. It seems all the different foils have been the variables yet the Vmax remains the same. The one constant through all this has been the rig/wing. That may be the obvious place to look and the limiting factor speedwise. I am sure your brains trust has already looked at this but it may be a simple matter of sheeting angle or wing inclination that gets you over the speed hump. Back in the 1980's when we were testing windsurfing sails on the top of a truck in the California desert small changes in sheeting angle made huge differences to lift/drag we were seeing on the computer readout. The real breakthroughs came once we started to understand the effect twist had on the rig.

On another note you are doing a fantastic job getting info and updates out to the world at large. Doing it in real time from such a remote location is phenomenal.

Keep up the good work and smash the Vne barrier!

Roo

REPLY... Re: The obvious

 Hi Roo...

That's pretty much what we are trying to do. The first thing I got the team to do was look at the common denominators... and hence the power. At the end of the day we are looking at a lift over drag equation i.e. it's either not enough powert or too much drag. As mentioned in this blog, the thing with the power is it is easy to add more by simply sailing in more breeze. We can add a lot to the equation by just sailing in 5 knots more breeze. The conclusion we have come to now is that our problem must be drag based. The only thing that could give this much drag so suddenly is cavitation. Our old nemisis. Anyway, we have some sound theories that are backed by all the evidence we have. I'll write about it no doubt in the next blog. This isn't to say that we can't still gain more from the wing. We will deal with the big issues first.

I'm glad you appreciate the updates. It's taken a while to bring it to this level.

Cheers, Paul

Re: Kiting as a model

Hi Paul,

I think the main reason why you are so efficient is your fantastic wing. I am really jealous. Our kites with their blown-up sausage in front are pure crap compared to your wing:(.

cheers
tilmann

REPLY... RE: Re. Kiting as a model

 Yeah... the wing is a big advantage. I have always been a fan of kiting. I knew that if they got their act together that they would be the ones to take speed sailing forward... simply because they aren't subject to the same limiting effects of cavitation as the competitors. Well, 'they' did get their act together via Sebs efforts in Luderitz. A big downwind course is what they needed to overcome their inefficiencies. We have a complex boat on a simple course.... they have a simple craft on a complex course... that also requires a lot of skill... more than our boat does to do a run. There are many factors at play here. The great thing is that the battle is being played out day by day right now. Chasing outright records is a race that never stops. The performance of the kites inspired VSR2. I hope that oneday the performance of VSR2 will inspire the kites to take big, bold steps to jump our hurdles.

Cheers, Paul.

Waves?

I've been following your progress for a while with great interest, wish you the best of luck in breaking through.

I'll throw my two cents in for what it's worth (probably nothing you haven't already considered). I wonder if there is an interaction between the wave spacing and the front planing surface at that particular speed. Given that the wind conditions are always similar when you are going for it, it seems possible that the wave spacing in Walvis could always be similar. I wonder if you hit some kind of bad resonance between the boat structure and that wave frequency at 52 knots. You seem to be getting knocked around an awful lot from the videos.

Related to that - two things the kiters have that you don't is very flat water (from their trench), and shock absorbers (their legs). You can see in the videos their legs bouncing while most of their mass stays relatively still.

Just a thought - best of luck to you!

REPLY... Re: Waves

 Hi Matt...

good one and fair call. It is a common denominator in some respects... but then we do sail in different wind strengths which lead to different waves. One of the things that the 'Brains trust' did look at yesterday was planing surface drag taking into account waves. Even with an ugly scenario we still couldn't get anywhere near the amount of drag necessary to cause the loss of performance we have seen. It could account for 10 kg of drag (whoops... 100 N) but not the lot. That said, it is still worth considering as a potential source of speed once we have sorted out the big issues.

The video does look rough but its probably exaggerated by the camera... or the arm holding it. The ride is pretty smooth... especially compared to the Mk1. I reckon that trench... at araound 140 degrees TWA would be pretty rough by the end. Hats off to those guys who take it on.

Cheers, Paul.

foiled again

Hi Paul,

I wonder if you would like to tell us what improvements your telethon with home base came up with which can be applied to the next run and break thru the glass (or polycarbonate??) ceiling. I would also like to pick you up on a couple of issues, if I may be so presumptuous. You talk about power (energy per time) when I think you mean wind force? Also you say you can't account for 100kg of thrust. Kg is a unit of mass not force, do you mean 100N or 9800N? Also, can I ask what angle to the horizontal the foil runs at (the angle that produces the down force), at 50knots, and also what leeway angle the boat is making at full speed. Thank you in advance for you response, and best of luck with the weather and your endeavours,

SL

REPLY... Re: Foiled again...

 Hi SL..

We had a very constructive meeting where we tried to reverse engineer the problem i.e. where are the only possible areas that could cause such a sudden stop in acceleration, what could cause them to behave like that and is it a likely scenario? We came up with a few but quickly eliminated most of them. Whilst some of the scenarios offered might explain some performance losses... it was obviously something bigger that would cause this sudden total loss. We reviewed why the new foil profile was chosen and what it would take to upset it. This lead to a ventilation scenario that could lead to the lower part of the foil having to do a lot more work than expected... and potentially cavitating. We will now try to eliminate that ventilation. It could also explain why the back of the boat has been riding so low. I will go into more detail after the next run.

You are being presumptuous in relation to thrust;) If I said it was 220 lb's would that help? Seems to work for jets. I use kg as it is easy for anyone to understand. I'm sure you can work it out? By thrust I mean force pushing us directly down the course.

The lower foil runs at 30 degrees to the vertical i.e. parallel to the wing. The transition part of the foil curves through 90 degrees with a 25 cm radius. The high speed waterline is expected to be slightly above the transition radius. The ride height of the boat is determined by the transition radius as the foil works like most surface piercing foils. The lower foil is actually slightly over inclined past 30 degrees to allow for it achieving 30 degrees when flexing under full load. The foil is assymetric and the leeway angles are expected to be very small i.e. less than a degree... depending on level of ventilation. It has to travel within a narrow band of tolerbale angles to avoid cavitation.

 

foiled again and again

Thank you for the update.
The angle I was referring to was the horizontal angle the foil subtends, the one that increases as the back of the boat rises, I wondered what angle that is at, at 50knots some where between 0 and 15ยบ I'd guess. I ask so i can get a handle on the down and drag forces thus created.

ps LB is another unit for weight not force. Jet engine thrust was measured in LBF. All a mystery to me - much prefer Newtons.

Keep up the good work. I particularly like your Australiisms; "blowin' dogs off chains" made me laugh for a week!

Kiteboarding as a model

Kiteboards are nothing else than ventilated foils.
The angle of your foil(seen from behind)is wrong (compared to kiteboards). This "hook" shall create downforce. But using such a "hook" in the water is obviously the wrong way. Too much drag.
Try a kind of kiteboard instead of the foil !
To create downforce with the "kiteboard-foil" use round edges (they suck the board into the water and create a lot of grip)and put weight on it. Weight has no drag in the water. Remember: With Helena on board (extra weight !) you had one of your fastest runs.

REPLY... RE: Kiteboarding as a model

 Hiya Tilmann, good to hear from you.

Firstly, there is nothing  obviously wrong about our concept as far as I can see. If you take Walvis Bay as an example of performance then VSR2 is obviously the fastest thing that has ever gone down the course by a long margin in obviously less wind... with a passenger in the back made obvious because he is waving at the camera.

I think there is a lot more in common between our boat and a kiter than you perhaps understand. The fact that they can't adequately hook the water may be one of their weak points... and hence future developments. The fact thay have to run downwind in such strong winds to perform is both impressive and admirable... but maybe not desireable. It is not a sign of efficiency... but it is the Outright world speed sailing record we are after... not the efficiency record. We have all backed our horses now and we remain confident in ours. It is still early days for this concept. We openly admit that we have not seen the breakthrough we are looking for but doubt that our problems lie with the concept itself. In fact... it's a pretty hard call to call it obviously wrong. Look at the concepts track record to date...

-Mk1 boat launched with wing in 2005. Arrived in Walvis Bay early 2007. Fastest boat in the world December 4th, 2008. Peak speed over 52 knots. Best 500 m average 49.32 knots. It had its flaws... but it wasn't so much to do with the concept but rather how we implemented it in that version.

-Mk2 boat launched March 2011... hits over 50 knots on 23 rd run. Hits over 50 knots with 4 significantly different foils. Hits 54.4 knots with passenger on board. Averages 50.98 knots over 500 meters on 5th run with new foil.

 

I would give this boat and concept a good chance before I would call it obviously wrong. The mk1 boat did exactly what we expected it to do... even down to the flip. If this boat does what it is designed to do... then you might be seeing a lot more hooks in the future.

That said, I'll agree that the inclined foil does create drag... but what you might be missing is the fact that it also allows us to generate a huge amount of power from the wing to overcome it. Vertical losses are part of this concept... but not obviously wrong.

Cheers, Paul.

Newbie

Hiya Paul,

I am one of the arm chair generals - watching you guys with delight and awe.

I am thrilled with your project, and everything it stands for. I am no engineer, and clearly have much less knowledge than many who post here.

My '2 penneth / ideas are (probably) much too simplistic. Please correct as appropriate!

Spray and twist.

Spray. what can be done to reduce the spray, as this seems an ovbvious dispersal of power generated. As a dinghy sailor, I have always looked at catamarans that deliver power without the spray, as a logical conclusion for their speed. How can you reduce the production of spray - or is it just a reality at the speeds you are living at?

Twist. You have a platform that is clearly designed to manage the twisting forces.

As the whole platform travels, all the forces change (buffeting of the water, acceleration/deceleration). The pod is travelling (to a small angle) sideways, and therefore is subjected to the force of the wind as it travels.

So despite everything being aligned to "balance", from the helm, the boat is subjected to asymetric forces buffeting the topsides. The forces change during the run. Perhaps that is what is making the foils reach a ceiling - the movement of the boat.

Not sure if there is actually a suggestion here - merely another question really. Does the sideways travel of the pod cause the boat to "wriggle" as it moves, nmaking the foils less stable than the polars suggest they should be?

Go gett'em, anyhow......back to the armchair.

Charlie W

REPLY... Re: Newbie

 Hi Charlie, spray flying in the air is definitely a form of energy lost. We have now added a fence to help reduce this. In one way the force of the spray hitting the fence will be in the wrong direction as it will be putting a force on the fence to leeward. The real effect we are looking for of course is to not let that 'energised' water escape but to instead get it to impart its energy on the foil itself. So, spray is the energy loss we can see but ventilation is the one we can't. On the other side of the foil, instead of water going up into the air, we get air being sucked down into the water. We are going to venture out next time with fences on both sides of the foil. We have a theory that it is the ventilation side that could potentially be the source of our woes. I'm a little bit excited by this understanding.

As for the torque forces and the effects of the planing surfaces... we also looked at them and did some work... but the effects of very poor performing planing surfaces are negligible by comparison to those caused by the foil.

Thanks for spending the pennies here.

Cheers, Paul.

Compressed air

Gates on both sides of the foil sound like a good next move.

As per the other post, could deliberate ventilation prove useful on the foil?

A small cannister with compressed air was what Albacore sailors used to use to promote "planing".

REPLY... Re: compressed air

 Hi Charlie...

I don't think we need to deliberately ventilate the foil. The pressure sensors tell us that it is ventilating itself just fine. We are not allowed to use any stored energy for the record other than to power instruments... however I have considered using compressed air down the base of the foil just to see what it does. Right now I suspect it will do very little. We are currently investigating other more likely areas. If they don't come to anything... then this may be an option.

Cheers, Paul.

Airing of a historical challenger (II)

When Virgin Atlantic Challenger II performed its first trials in Southampton Water, despite 4,000hp under the bonnet, and to everyone's surprise, the boat never made it over the hump. Loads of grunt, but precious few knots. The answer to the problem was the precise opposite of conventional thinking - active ventilation of the props.
The problem was the blunt edge of the surface-piercing props, when sub-surface, were simply causing too much drag. So a 2" dia tube was placed immediately in-front of the props, led up to the transom. Rotation of the props at low speed caused air to be sucked in - the water/air mix reduced the drag on the props enabling the revs of the engine to build up to the power-band required. With the extra hp now deployed the boat got over the hump and onto the plane, at which point the surface-piercing props were working exactly where they are supposed to be - half in the water and half out. And the rest, as they say, is history. I mention this just in case it stimulates some ideas, or some lateral thinking, that might help break through the ceiling. Good luck guys - you SO deserve it.

REPLY.... Re: Virgin Challenger II

 Hi Adwyer,

Dealing with the water-air interface presents a fascinating puzzle. It's a notoriously complex and changeable environment. When you start travelling at these high speeds it borders on 'black art'. I've heard that term mentioned a number of times... mostly from the power boating fraternity. The faster you go, the less contact you have with the water. On a sailing boat, that speed usually is associated with stronger winds and hence some level of chop. We aren't in a laboratory. High speed flow tanks can't model the water surface interface at high speeds and computers are just guessing at what might be happening in a rapidly changing and highly dynamic environment. Testing in the real world is still the best way to do it. there used to be naval facilities in the US where they could run models down a mile long basin on a highly instrumented carriage at speeds up to 90 + knots. That would be heaven. It has been closed now for a long, long time. VSR2 is actually built to be a sort of sailing equivelent i.e. to be a test carriage for trialling full scale foils at high speed down a mile long course. Quite often it is cheaper for us to come here and conduct tests than it would be to set up an artificial testing facility elsewhere.

I can fully appreciate why a ventilated surface-piercing prop wouldn't work if submerged. I think I'm finally starting to understand all this wierdness.

Thanks for the recollection and support.

Cheers, Paul.

Never Give Up

Hi Paul and Team,

Have you considered that as the speed increases the boat starts to make serious leeway due to the WIG Effects and foil lift with an apparent boat lightening phenomenon which could be causing a tremendous sideways drag effect and a whole host of turbulent effects to the vertical sections of both the foil and the rudder. Which although one would think otherwise may require a larger fore and aft vertical surface area more like conventional centerboard but thinner cross section to spread the side forces and loads. Perhaps a knife like keel running the whole length of the main hull with fore and aft T foils attached, or hopefully maybe just some just some tweaking adjustment to variably change the vertical section fore and aft angle of attack of the main foil in a psuedo fore/aft rudder scenario. Also the Main Hull fore and aft crab like track which I understand is set to take account of apparent wind it might be worth a try straightening it up to reduce unexplained drag exacerbated by any leeway currently created. All this maybe why when you were two up last year the boat still went fast because of extra weight creating less leeway and vertical foil drag!

Is more WIG less FOIL the way forward,just a thought

Stay Safe!

Chris W(Regards From the Windy Wight)

Smashing the ceiling

I sent a technical suggestion to malcolm a couple of weeks ago and haven't heard from him, no doubt he is busy. Here's one for you:

What you need is much more testing, this is difficult and expensive because you need specific conditions. A powered craft could be easily tested. What about making an alternative rig that involves wind propellor propulsion and applies the loads to the boat in the same manner as the sail foil? That way you would only need to match the sea conditions to do much more testing to better understand the hydrofoil problems.

With best wishes, its a great project.

Origin of idea - Re: Smashing The Ceiling

Hi Patrick,

You're idea about wind/propellor propulsion is very interesting. Have you been talking to the folks who have proven the concept of going downwind faster than the wind in thelast two years? (Downwind Cart, etc, who have achieved a 2.8 multiple of the wind speed directly down wind on land.) Fasincating stuff that I understand on paper but haven't fully wrapped my mind around in application.

Tim, Vermont

Sympathy

Hi Paul & Team,

Unfortunately I don't have the answer but you do have my sympathy!

My 'project' is also wedged firmly againt a glass cieling, allbeit slower that yours but equally hard. I have a propeller driven ice sled (www.ice-bat.com) and I have tried 6 different propellers with various pitches and differing rpms; top speed is always the same. I've even put world record holders in it to peddal it: top speed the same. And at least 50% of the power is being wasted.

So like you, I guess it is the drag. And also like sailrocket, I believe it lies in the inteface between the machine and the water.

And also like you, I am fully confident I'll get to the bottom of it and smash through that glass ceiling!

Good luck & persevere!

Steve
(Greetings from the IoW!)

Thanks

i have to say that i have been following your project for a fair number of years now and find it fascinating. one of the things that i really enjoying about this session is the amount of technical data that you are giving us. it is awesome to see the technical side of this project and really helps me to appreciate just how much work goes into it.
it is far to easy to sit in the comfort of our own homes asking if you have considered this or that without really knowing the intricate details of how the boat works and having none of the data in front of us. i believe that you are on the right path collecting as much data as you can from the boat and trying to fully understand what is happening with the boat and why 2 boats with 7 different foils should all max out around the same speed.

hope you find the answers soon, it would be nice to see a boat rule speed sailing once more!

good luck
alex ward

Nature decent shot

Nature know be generous, you have just to be at the right area at the right time...
Be patient
Cheers, Henry from FRANCE.

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