My head hurts. An Overdue update from Speed School!
Mon, 14 May 12 13:17
Hi all, I've tried to write this update a few times now but have either written a 'novel' that even had me confused or, things were in such a state of flux that the key points were hard to pin-point for the purpose of a summary.
Still, it's not right not to let you know where we are at.
The design of the new foils is a massive hurdle. There are just so many critical areas that need to be considered before we go forward. Things get weird from here on in and there is very little precedent to go on for our application. We can only reference other craft and situations i.e. high speed propellors, Naval tests done on high speed hydrofoils etc. but each instance is distinctly different from ours. We have all had to go back to school. A lot of CFD is being done but it has its limits and you have to be very careful that it doesn't lead you down the pretty pictured garden path.
The fact is that from here on in there is a lot going on around the foils. It's no longer just water down there. We have to deal with vapour cavities that can vary in pressure from ambient (normal atmospheric) to near on a full vacuum (approaching 14 psi or 10 tons per square meter). There is a world that exists between these two pressures and somewhere in there may lie the difference between a world record or another 'also ran'.
We have looked and are still looking at all the areas that matter trying desperately to find the best solution. We have re-visited our first foil to see where it went wrong. The belief is that it was just too big. At high speed it was travelling at such a small incidence to the water that the sharp nose may have actually been at a negative angle and thus cavitating on the pressure side. It's the hydrofoil equivelent of carrying too big a sail upwind and having to 'luff' or backwind the front of the sail.
THE FOIL IS A BIT FATTER THAN REALITY HERE BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CAVITATION FORMING ON THE WRONG SIDE AT THE NOSE. ALL THE ACTUAL LIFT IS BEING GENERATED BY THE SUCTION ON THE UPPER SURFACE AND THE CAMBER AT THE BACK OF THE LOWER PRESSURE SURFACE.THIS LEADING EDGE CAVITATION IS HYDRODYNAMICALLY UGLY. VERY DRAGGY!
It seems that we had very little chance of generating the angles of attack necessary to get this foil fully side ventilating as we had hoped. So the problem now comes that in order to make it generate those high angles, we have to make the foil so small that it becomes dangerous as there is so little in the water.
That's just one aspect of cavitation... then there's the even more random minefield of ventilation where ambient pressure air gets sucked down onto the foil from the surface. That's all well and good provided there is a nice 'path' for it to get down. The reality is that water is flying all over the place both at the surface and down inside the ventilated cavity and the path is constantly getting 'choked'. Once it gets choked the pressure drops and the sides of the cavity get sucked in harder. Ventilation can be both hard to start and hard to get rid of. In the picture above, if we could introduce ambient air into that blue cavity, the difference in performance would be massive. The base area (blunt face at back of wedge) for our first attempt at a wedge was around 0.04 square meters. If it is properly, fully ventilated then there is no drag here... just like on the transom of a cleanly planing yacht... but if it is cavitating, then the suction pressure on that face is around 400kg of pure, speed sucking drag. It's crippling. Think about it. No wonder bullets don't go far underwater! So, if we can add ambient air into that cavity to reduce the pressure then it makes a big difference. By the rules we are not allowed to force it down there. There are options.
See... here I go again and this is why I have struggled to write this. I am only lightly touching on one of the aspects of the design and yet as we get deeper into the problem it all gets slightly 'grey' and oh so inter related. Ventilation can blend into Cavitation. We want them thin but we want them strong. We want them small but we want them deep. We want to get air to them... here but not there. Definitely not there etc etc.
We have been around many design loops. We're on the M25 of design loops. "Can't get off there, too much drag". "Can't pull off there either, too weak". We have to consider how we maintain ride height, choppy water, safety margins, low speed performance... and so on.
It really is hard to say if we aren't over analysing the whole problem. Maybe we are a lot closer to a solution than we think and simply aiming too high. We don't have to go that much quicker. Maybe some slightly smaller foils than what we had will do the trick. Just small enough to keep enough angle to avoid the pretty picture above. WE now have models for 'T' foils, 'L' shaped foils, Straight foils and have looked at all means of supporting them and reconfiguring the boat. We have looked at stepped profiles, wedge profiles, cambered wedges, pinched parabolas, stepped pinched parabolas, parabolic wedges. Everything is considered and there is still no clear favourite. The final total package has to tick all the boxes.
This is the problem at the frontier. The path forward is not illuminated. We look back at the problems confronting the first through the Sound Barrier and think "Hey, that was no real problem in the end. What were they worried about". We think that with hindsight. The fact is that until you have done it... or someone has done it... you just don't know for sure. These projects are often fragile on many fronts and we simply can't afford to get it wrong too many times. It can all come to an end in many ways.
Right here I will stop myself. If I keep going on this blog will get out of control and I won't send it... again.
SO HERE"S A SUMMARY...
-VESTAS Sailrocket 2 remains on location in Namibia. She has proven herself to be able to reliably take us up to the limit. Getting to this stage alone is a big result and not to be underestimated. We now need to plug the right foil into the boat. We believe that we will be able to work out if it is good or not quite quickly.
-We are working flat out on solving this foil problem. The project is by no means standing still. CFD and complex VPP's (velocity prediction programs) are running all the time.
-VESTAS are standing by us all the way here. We all know that times are tight and thus we are being as tight with our budget as is practical. Everything is being poured into solving the foil issue. No extras, no retainers. All hands at the coal face.
-We have obviously missed this early weather window so we don't expect to be back down in Namibia until some time in August.
-The new foils will be made out of steel and we are looking for help here as it is outside our expertise. It just seems right that these foils should be made somewhere in the UK Midlands. If we can, we will build a few foils but machine time gets expensive. The design budget has already over-run.
So here we are. Our heads hurt. It's a complex problem that we can's stand not to understand. I personally think about it constantly. It feels like the last piece of the puzzle that we desperately want to complete. Chris, his team at AEROTROPE and Malcolm are putting a lot of work into this. We will apply the methodology that has brought us this far. Some times the battles are in the build shed with material processing, some times they are on the water with the elements. This one is in the understanding of a theoretical world.
I can't wait to plug all this back into reality down in Namibia.
We are getting there... and IT WILL BE WORTH IT!
Cheers, Paul.
Foil experimentation option
Submitted by Martin on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 13:46.Hello Paul and SailRocket team,
My head also hurts considering the foil design challenge you are up against. I can only offer a suggestion for an alternative place to look for insights:
Unlimited hydroplanes appear to have skegs to help them grip the water as they turn during their circuits. I realise they don't have the constraint of needing to minimise drag on those skegs, but would be worth establishing their arrangement. Such a hydroplane might also offer an affordable test bed to assess different foil configurations for VSR2 if you could gain the voluntary support of such a team. Such a test rig would be along the lines of what was previously achieved with the Boeing hydroplane HTS but on a more modest scale.
In reading your blog, I was also reminded of Ken Warby who still holds the outright world water speed record. There is some good footage of him getting a blow torch out to cut the lower portion of the rudder off his hydroplane. That was with the aim of reducing drag and seems to have been enough for him to get over the line and achieve that record. Crude but effective!
All the best with your project and also a thanks to all the sponsors who are helping the team to tackle this challenge.
rules
Submitted by Florian Prevel on Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:40.Hello Paul
Could you please precise this phrase :
"By the rules we are not allowed to force it down there"
I think that the rules doesn't allow you to inject pressure air somewhere (by using a compressor)
but what about doing some small pipes in the foil to have a better way ?
What about doing like f-duck in formula 1, using the speed of the boat to generate some pressure air, that you inject into the foil ?
best regards
REPLY: Rules
Submitted by Paul on Tue, 05/29/2012 - 08:54.Hiya Florien,
Ventilation may be one of the biggest drag reductions we can get. At first we were lead to believe that it wasn't likely to get very deep. We didn't trust this information and seeing as it is extremely difficult to model accurately with CFD or even replicate in a flow tunnel, we have simply had to look at what we achieved with the first foil in more depth (literally in some senses;). If we cavitate, we have nearly a full atmosphere of drag acting over the whole afterbody of the foil. If we ventilate perfectly i.e. at ambient atmospheric pressure... then we have none. The potential is there for there to have many multiples of the combined total VSR2 aero and planing drag just in those little 'cavities' behind the foils.
So we didn't want to have complex ducting on the back of the foils to assist ventilation... but as with everything we must keep an open mind. In this case it means we must incorporate the possibility at the very design stage. If we were going to do it then we would give the air the best possible chance and also incorporate as many tricks as possible such as using 'dorade' type scoops and ducting.
We will incorporate easier paths for ventilation anyway. Ones that are less likely to get choked by spray at high speed.
Cheers, Paul.
The samurai of sailing
Submitted by Snailor on Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:56.It's a great inspiration to hear about the true challeges that you have to overcome to solve the issue of getting to the next level.
The samuraisword blacksmiths havent had much to do since the invention of the gun, but now they have a new oppurtunity as the makers of the true samurai swords of sailing!!!
Daggerboard from now and on, will be called daggersword.
Tank testing
Submitted by DouglasWaves on Wed, 05/23/2012 - 12:25.I work in building test tanks, so was wondering where you could test out your ideas experimentally. Two approaches - working at scale and with full size foils seem appropriate.
The problem with testing a scale foil is that air pressure becomes a problem. I am currently in the Marin depressurized wave tank - where they are looking at cavitation in propellers in low pressure conditions. This is a towing tank with carriage running at reduced pressure, primarily to look at cavitation in propellers, but at €1000 per hour I suspect it is outside your budget. There are also cavitation tunnels - basically wind tunnels with water that normally operate at reduced pressures in the working zone, but I don't know if you could inject large amounts of air. Again though they tend to be expensive.
The full scale approach is better anyway as scaling is difficult to work with. That requires a towing carriage that goes fast enough - only one I know of is the David Taylor basin - that is the US Navy test facility. I am sure the people there would be interested in theory but getting any time there would be nearly impossible.
A compromise might be to work on a University wire driven towing carriage - such as at Newcastle university. It might be possible to get a Phd student to work on it. No chance of changing pressure and restricted in scale though!
Hey Paul, I'm sure you will
Submitted by VegaC on Mon, 05/21/2012 - 11:31.Hey Paul, I'm sure you will overcome all your problems soon! I bet you are looking forward to finish your job and come back home from Namibia in August, catch up with friends, have a good drink or maybe play scrabble using scrabble cheat (depending on how tired you are :)) Anyways, thanks for keeping us posted, I've been stalkering your blog for quite a while and find it just exciting! Don't give up!
Foil M'fg
Submitted by windrush on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:44.Mate , good update, have you considered if the Cosworth guys could help with the machining time?
Got to be someone who's keen to be involved that has good CNC machines available as a sponsorship.
Brett
RE... Foil M'FG
Submitted by Paul on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:24.Hiya Brett, yeah, that's the plan. If we make T foils then it should be pretty straight forward as the sections i.e. the strut and the base can be made separately out of realtively thin 'slabs'. An L foil would be a little more tricky. Either way, they are going to be thin and need to be tough. It's crazy how small the next ones are going to be. They are going to look silly compared to the old ones.
I hope all's well over West.
Cheers, Paul
Persistance
Submitted by P.Flados on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 01:22.Keep on plugging and when you can, keep on posting.
I keep dreaming up schemes as to how to do 55 to 65 knot foil testing on the cheap, but none pan out as worth mentioning.
I am convinced that your project has taken the most logical, systematic approach to pushing through the barrier that has been such a challenge since Longshot seems to have run up against it.
All I can say at this point is that I feel for you guys and can only hope that the effort will produce one or more workable solutions soon.
RE: Persistance
Submitted by Paul on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 08:40.Hi Paul,
How to do high speed foil testing on the cheap is another 'loop' we have been around many times. Before this project even started it was one of the first considerations. In some ways it drove the final design of VSR2 where we settled on designing the most powerful, stable and reliable sailing boat we could that would give even the worst foil the best chance of success. The boat itself is our test bench. It is designed to survive a total foil failure at 65 knots i.e. it's aerodynamically and hydrodynamically stable. Like all extreme safety options, I hope I don't have to rely on this aspect. Having said that, our new foils are going to be very small. If the submerged T lets go... it will let go hard. It will only be the boats aerodynamics that save us. It is why I'm in the front and the beam is the size it is and at the back. I can't flip like VSR1. The back of the boat will lift but this time the apparent wind will push the beam back down rather than lift it up. The trick is that it has to do it quite quickly. We set 4 degrees pitch down as the limit. If we hit 6 degrees then we are on the tipping point of a nose-dive as the forward planing surface will have lost its angle to the water. This would be ugly. Of course the back of the boat would also be largely kicking sideways which would have the effect of sheeting out the wing.
We may still do some tests with the strut section off the back of a high speed boat. I'm referring to the strut that will act as the upright on the T to connect the active foil to the boat. This will be surface piercing and operating at very low incidence. Just enough to carry the static weight of the boat but then probably twisted to have no incidence as it gets deeper towards the foil. We would be purely interested in seeing how well this base ventilates and also seeing how it tends to side ventilate at low incidence. It should be a straightforward test. As the loads would be low it could be made out of cheaper material. We'll see.
Nice to hear from you.
Submitted by morgan on Tue, 05/15/2012 - 06:26.Keep going guys. Have everything crossed for you and expecting big things this year!
Foils
Submitted by jdauden on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 20:38.Hey Paul, thanks for the update - I am always waiting for news, and have no doubt you will get there!!
I know NOTHING about foils, but was quite impressed with these guys - they are in GB too, and it seems they have figured out the ventilation thing in their cat - sure enough in a clearly different range of speeds...50 knots is a VERY different story!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zTUonNv_xk
Almost sure you know them, but just in case!
Keep pushing!!
Always sail fast, and all the best for you and Helena,
Jose
RE: FOILS
Submitted by Paul on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 21:27.Hi Jose, yeah I know these guys pretty well and have done a bit of sailing on their very impressive boat. In fact I was on the phone to them a little over a week or so ago to discuss ventilation as they have done a lot of work with it. Certain aspects may apply to us although I'm not sure what at this stage.
There boat really does some good stuff. Especially for a hydrofoil in rough seas. I think about it often.
We'll keep pushing alright.
Cheers, Paul.
The untested road
Submitted by Uwe Sieg on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 17:17.Hi Paul
Great to hear you guys might be back with us later during the year. I can imagine the difficulty in getting the right design for your foil. And you are right; looking at the solution of the sound barrier seemed unsurmountable at Chuck Jeagers time but once the "wasp fuselage design" was invented, the problem with the shock waves was solved. I guess you guys are at that point right now. Just simply hang in there. When Ford engineers designed the V6 engine and they could not solve the heat problem Ford's answer was "Just build another one".
Give my best to all the Team
Uwe, Namibia
foil manufacture
Submitted by Mike Ewart on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 15:14.Hi Paul great to hear from the team about the workings etc, have you talked at all with the Aarvark people down the south coast they are into foils and their manufacture.
regards
Mike
Aarvark (Aardvark)???
Submitted by Paul on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 16:16.Hi Mike, I'm assuming you are talking about Aardvark who make the foiling Moths amongst other things. Wrong type of foils I'm afraid. I think their expertise would lie at more conventional speeds. Like I said, things get a bit 'funky' where we are aiming to go. Only a handful of craft with conventional foils has ever made it up to this speed, Hydroptere, Macquarie Innovations, VSR1 and VSR2, probably Yellow Pages Endeavour at some stage and no doubt the odd windsurfer. Only three of these have managed a 50 average over 500 meters (VSR2's was not official... but logged on the official TRIMBLE GPS during development so for the sake of this point I'll include it) and two of those... only just. Convention seems to break down in the low 50's. I'm sure we could all evolve a couple more knots out of convention but we are trying to do something bigger here and move beyond these limits. Hence... back to school.
Cheers, Paul
foils
Submitted by Mike Ewart on Tue, 05/15/2012 - 15:42.Hi Paul yes that was aardvark, spelling never my best point, I realise they are into moth type foils but was thinking more along the line of the manufacture of the foils when you decide what you are doing
best of luck
regards
Mike