2011... Knocking on the door but not through yet. 2012???
Fri, 30 Dec 11 02:01
Well it's been a full old year in the world of the VESTAS Sailrocket program. This time last year I was using the quiet Xmas period in the build shed to get all the spray-painting of the wing out the way!
We launched on the 4th of March and shipped the whole jam packed container to Namibia a few days later. After some low speed teething issues we drank the 20,30 and 40 knot bottles of champagne on consecutive days. Within 23 days from launch, this radical and highly compromised, one-off prototype boat was hitting over 50 knots. What's more, it was doing it using an unconventional ventilated foil section.
The VSR2 program is focused on making the breakthroughs necessary to overcome the conventional limits of high speed sailing. These are all centered around the performance limits of conventional foils. The kite-surfers don't rely so heavily on these and therefore, as they have so clearly demonstrated, they don't have the same limits. In order to test and develop foils at very high speeds, you need to fund, design, build, develop, maintain etc a craft that will allow you to repeatedly enter the 'laboratory' in a safe and reliable manner. This year I think we demonstrated that we have the right craft. At the end of the last session a couple of weeks ago in Namibia, we had shown that VSR2 could drag almost any foil we bolted onto it down the course at speeds over 50 knots. We were constantly banging our head agains the old limits. It does seem that many different craft and projects get stuck in the low 50's. We didn't make the breakthrough we were looking for this year but we are very definitely in the right laboratory with the right tools.
20/20
Now that I can look back, I can see where some of our assumptions were just plain wrong... but that's ok as our understanding of the bigger picture is right on track. The boat is great and it is only the highly modular foil that is wrong. It was our first shot at a ventilated/cavitating foil and assumptions had to be made. If we were just doing 60 knots then it would have been a lot easier. If getting through low speed transitions just involved pouring more fuel down the carburetor then it also would have been easier... but this is a sailing boat that has to accelerate from standstill using only windpower so the problem is a whole lot more intersting. Now that we have a whole heap of real world experience we feel that we are much better placed to re-visit the problem. Of course we are. VESTAS Sailrocket 2 is currently sitting all nicely packed away down in Namibia and can be made ready to do 50 knots plus again within a couple of days. All our efforts now are focused on getting the foil right.
SOLUTION
After our design meeting hours after landing back in the UK,
CHRIS, GEORGE, WANG, MALCOLM AND PAUL...
the current thinking is that we will scrap the L-foil configuration and go to a T-foil arrangement.
FIRST SHOT AT CAV FOIL ON LEFT AND PROPOSED T-FOIL ON RIGHT.
This foil does seem to have many advantages. We had discounted it previously as we though that the end plate would need to be much bigger to enable us to generate the low speed side force to get started. This would have meant that we would have had structural issues around the junction... especially if the top tip of the foil popped out of the water as this would put large torsional loads on the junction. Now that we believe we can go a lot smaller (as demonstrated by our 'chopped down' runs towards the end of the last session), we believe that the 'T' configuration has many benefits...
-we can use the existing composite 'head' of the foils.
-we can machine the new components out of metal which is far cheaper, quicker and will allow us to try many variations.
-we can make the foils much thinner as the bending loads are greatly reduced
However, there are issues that we need to resolve. Some of the aspects that need to be considered are as follows...
-what dimensions will we need to satisfy all criteria?
-what are the expected loads for all scenarios?
-What are the realistic performance expectations?
-How do we best gain the understanding of how the foil will perform and make the necessary flow transitions?
-if we do still want to use ventilation as a means of creating the upper surface cavity on the foil, how do we ensure it can get down to the foil?
-how do we maintain good ride height?
-How do we reduce the drag at the junction of the T as these junctions are always messy, especially when highly loaded.
There is just so much to learn. We have started by working on a 'T-foil' based spread sheet that will show us the effects on the various balance/load/ performance factors from changing various inputs. This shows us the basics. From here we need to understand how the one foil solution will make the transitions from standstill to over 60 knots in a sailing environment. The final foil solution needs to tick a lot of boxes. Whilst I have no doubt that our team could work through the problem if given the time and resource, I feel that it is time to start really bringing other brains in to help us solve these very particular problems. I know that our endeavours have been followed by some very clever people who are quite passionate about this dark corner of yachting that we are delving into. In many cases we have been contacted and this is much appreciated. If I have seemed a little slow in getting back it is only because we are trying to structure the problem so it can be best presented to fresh minds. There are many good ideas out there but first of all, the specific requirements need to be outlined. The spread sheet will help us do this. If all the requirements are met to satisfy the basics, then we need to have a program which then allows us to verify this. That is still an open discussion as we don't know exactly what resource we can apply to the verification process i.e. CFD, model testing etc.
If the T-foil does make it through all this and the manufacture is as easy as CNC milling out flat foils, then this may well allow us to try many different shapes. We'll see.
So here we are, heading into a new year and getting right down to the 'nitty gritty'. A world record would have been great but I can't allow that to overshadow what has been achieved this last year. Thankyou to everyone who has supported and encouraged us near and far. We will continue to share the journey even through this 'techy' stage as it seems that many of you find this as fascinating as we do. We don't intentionally hold anything back. Some times we just don't put things forward until we have some structured understanding ourselves. We don't feel we have too much to protect just yet as anyone who copies anything may well be simply copying our mistakes. VSR2 is still very much a work in progress albeit one that is more ready than ever for the challenges that await.
Have a Happy New Year and I'll see you all on the other side.
Cheers, Paul.
Safe and Secure
Submitted by Gordon Cameron on Thu, 01/19/2012 - 23:37.Hi Paul,
Just to let you know on our way to the "Anchors" last week for a quick "Taf" went past your container and all looked safe and secure.
Happy New Year and all the best for a 60kt 2012 to you and Helena, Gordon & Linda
T-foil
Submitted by Flemming Rasmussen on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 14:10.Hi Paul (/and rest of the team)
Happy new year :o)
From a most true and loyal follower:
It seems pretty obvious, thst your assumption of the main foil being the "hand brake" is correct - still weird, that cutting the large section of it off did not offer any improvement ?
With respect to the T-foil: Solving issues around lift at lower speeds and riding height might be solved by adding more "wings" than just the outer "T". These added "wings" could be angled so they generate optimum lift (and up force) at lower speeds - and maounted in a position so they at high speed (high ride) would exit the water thus reducing drag - and you would be down to the very small "T" at the end, which at these speed should offer sufficient lift - basically a foil with a built in automatic gear box.
OR: Ride height could be obtained be "tvisting" the main beam of the foil slightsly, so when deeply submerged it generates an upward force, which decreases when approaching the proper height.
Just my £0.10
Regards Flemming
Low angle lifting foil
Submitted by Bob Imhoff on Fri, 01/06/2012 - 06:59.Hey Ho Paul,
I've had some experience with foils at a low angle to the horizontal and posted how this may affect VSR2, this includes the T foil.
Those of you not familier with my blog, link to High-Speed Sailing from this site.
Cheers, Bob
Can't wait guys. keep up the
Submitted by markoblob on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 20:31.Can't wait guys. keep up the good work.
Sorry for my english.
Submitted by Kostek on Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:28.Sorry for my english. I have help from Mr gooogle translation.
Hi Paul.I think that the
Submitted by Kostek on Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:56.Hi Paul.
I think that the T-foil will have a better rigidity. The hulk is a spring element. T-foil is a spring element. I think that the two foils under the floats will give a better rigidity and resistance anti-vibration. Bottom foil( anti-drift), should have a minus slant, like shark fins or minus swept wing of the airplane.
Sorry for my english. I have help from Mr gooogle translation.
Good luck for New Year 2012 , Konstanty Ossowski.
Happy (and safe) new year!
Submitted by oldie on Mon, 01/02/2012 - 07:13.Our Oz kitesurfing representative described the attempts at Walvis as needing a suicidal approach.
I image it is hard to step back from the edge, but if you need to test a variety of "funny foils" please don't disregard the boat designers' recommendations.
It seems that ventilation and cavitation are so different that there is no chance of a "transition" between them.
As a backup experiment, try running the foils directly in the disturbed rudder wake. Half a dozen rudder foils designed as vortex generators could be tried to use up some of your spare power with unexpected effects. Cloud vortices just cancel locally, but shed vortices at the point of recombination could be gold.
Foil testing
Submitted by Martin Hadley on Sat, 12/31/2011 - 23:38.Hi Paul, and a great big thank you from all your followers in Cairns for the fascinating updates, and even more for the techno-detail, brilliant!
Rather than using a Navy boat, how about enlisting a nice 'simple' ski boat with a standard trainer bar attached to the driver's side, for mounting your foils and strain loggers etc?
Standard tournament ski boats wouldn't have the top speed, but a half decent ski race boat sure would, and they'd be be sort of guys that would love to be involved, if they are anything like the lads here.
Cheers
Mart
High Speed Speed Boat
Submitted by Fishaintbiting on Sat, 12/31/2011 - 12:33.Paul,
May I suggest that you find a high speed (>50knt) speed boat in your vicinty (Surely the navy has one), and use this to test your foils.
Might be much simplier and you can control the key aspects as needed, as long as you can find perfectly flat water.
Good luck,
Rob
The F***ing Mystery
Submitted by ChrisM on Sat, 12/31/2011 - 08:10.Hi Paul and Team Vestas
Awesome blog of a truly fascinating project!
A few of your comments stand out in my mind:
"... we had shown that VSR2 could drag almost any foil we bolted onto it down the course at speeds over 50 knots."
"The boat is great and it is only the highly modular foil that is wrong. It was our first shot at a ventilated/cavitating foil and assumptions had to be made."
I understand that these "assumptions" led to the design of a foil that had a "wedge shaped" shaped cross section.
I've seen many pictures but no diagrams and as such, I believe your "wedge" is basically a symmetrical triangle (STW) consisting of three flat surfaces with:
"L" The leeward high pressure surface aligned with the direction of the foils travel;
"W" The windward low pressure surface of approximately the same size as "L" , connected to "L" at the forward edge "A" and aligned at few (~ 1-10) degrees to the windward of the "L" surface;
"S" The aft facing very narrow surface connected at just under 90` to both "W" at edge "B" and to "L" at edge "C".
Probably simpler to sketch it out than to accurately describe it in this blog comment box.
I think you have been assuming that the "S" surface would be easily ventilated with the air traveling down from the foils penetration of the waters surface, and for this ventilation of "S" to make it's way around edge "B" in order to ventilate or assist in initiating the cavitation of the entire "W" surface. I think the problem, besides "B" being close to 90`, is that the effective stable cavitation of "W" must start at it's leading edge, close to "A".
May I suggest you consider a foil with:
An "L" surface as above;
A "W" surface that is ~ 85-98% of the size of "L" and connected to "L" at the aft edge "Z" and aligned at few (~ 1-10) degrees to the windward of the "L" surface;
A "D" water deflection surface that would be slightly wider than "S", connected to "L" 's forward edge "X" at somewhere between ~88` and 45` and connected to "W" 's forward edge "Y" at somewhere between ~92` and 135`.
If this idea is worth pursuing then I trust that you and your brains trust can determine the appropriate dimensions and angles for an "Asymmetrical Reverse Wedge" (ARW) shaped foil suitable for VSR2.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Chris
To foil or not to foil ?
Submitted by Sylvain Berthommé on Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:12.Dear Paul, I follow your work for some years and I am very interested in your progression.Excuse me for this intrusion in your thoughts about the shape of the good foil for VS2.
I was sail designer in the Charente-maritime project (1990 I think) and I am ingeneer in fluids mechanism. Today I am sure that a foil under the water is not safe to sail over 40-45 knots (Hydroptère's foils are not in full immersion), I think that it's better to glide on the water surface with a minimum of drag. I think you know my Kite boat 4FF ( Four for fast )with this small hulls similar VS2 . The solution for the drift is in the design of small vertical foils working as a tyre on the road. I would be very proud if your were interested in this foil design. Maybe I'm wrong but trying in that way is not expensive.
Fair winds for you and the staff, I'm sure you'll succeed in your quest !
Sylvain Berthommé www.engindevitesse.com
Sorry for my pitiful english.
Qustion please
Submitted by Noodlemania on Fri, 12/30/2011 - 07:29.Hi Paul
Congrats again to you and your team on a fantastic year.
Please can someone explain briefly if the foil was/is developed using testing in a hydrodynamic water tank? Or, why is it only possible to test them on the yacht?
Happy New Year!
Steven